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Pope Benedict supports Muslims – just like the Pope supported Nazi Germany during WW II

Posted in Arabs, Bible, Catholic Church, Christianity, cults, Hate, Islam, Israel, Israeli, Jewish History, Middle East, New Testament, News, Old Testament, Pope, Religion, The Torah, Uncategorized with tags , , , on May 13, 2009 by Michael Burks

What a shock that the current Catholic Pope supports Muslims and not Israel. For those who don’t recall, the Catholic “Church” and Pope also supported Hitler and Nazi Germany while millions of Jews were driven from their homes to suffer and die.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/5320110/Pope-Benedict-XVI-supports-Palestinian-state-and-criticises-Israeli-barrier.html

Pope Benedict XVI criticised the concrete security wall

Pope Benedict XVI criticised the concrete security wall “towering over us”, saying it was “tragic” to see barriers erected between the two communities. Photo: REUTERS

Speaking in Bethlehem, where he delivered his most sensitive speech yet of an eight-day tour of the Holy Land, Benedict XVI acknowledged the suffering of the Palestinian people following the establishment of Israel in 1948.

But he also urged moderation, telling Palestinians they should not use violence to further their cause.

Speaking later at the Aida refugee camp, he criticised the concrete security wall “towering over us”, saying it was “tragic” to see barriers erected between the two communities.

The Pope, who also celebrated mass in Manger Square in front of the ancient Church of the Nativity, believed to mark the birthplace of Jesus, sent a message of solidarity with moderate Palestinians such as Mahmoud Abbas, the Fatah leader and president of the Palestinian national authority, when he gave his support to proposals for a “two-state solution”.

“The Holy See supports the right of your people to a sovereign Palestinian homeland in the land of your forefathers, secure and at peace with its neighbours, within internationally recognised borders,” the Pope said.

“I know how much you have suffered and continue to suffer as a result of the turmoil that has afflicted this land for decades,” the Pope said.

“It is my earnest hope that the serious concerns involving security in Israel and the Palestinian territories will soon be allayed sufficiently to allow greater freedom of movement, especially with regard to contact between family members and access to the holy places.”

In remarks aimed at the many militant groups within the Palestinian community, the Pope said they should “resist temptations to resort to acts of violence”.

Israel was nominally behind the two-state plan until the recent election of a Right-wing government led by Benjamin Netanyahu which has said it is reviewing its position on the issue. The Pope is due to meet the Israeli prime minister on Thursday.

After two days in Israel the Pope had to cross into the occupied West Bank where Bethlehem is located.

This meant he had to pass through the 10-yard-high concrete wall built by Israel around Bethlehem.

Deemed illegal under international law, Israel has nevertheless pressed on with its construction on the grounds that it deters suicide bombings and other security threats.

In the afternoon he spoke at the Aida refugee camp, one of several housing Palestinian families driven from their homes through the creation of Israel in the second half of the 20th century.

Israel had forced the organisers of the event at Aida to move the stage so it would not be dominated by the security wall but this did not stop the pontiff criticising the barrier.

“Towering over us … is a stark reminder of the stalemate that relations between Israelis and Palestinians seem to have reached – the wall,” the Pope said.

“In a world where more and more borders are being opened up – to trade, to travel, to movement of peoples, to cultural exchanges – it is tragic to see walls still being erected.”

Speaking after his visit, he issued a message of hope. “I have seen, adjoining the camp and overshadowing much of Bethlehem, the wall that intrudes into your territories, separating neighbours and dividing families,” he said.

“Although walls can easily be built, we all know that they do not last for ever. They can be taken down.”

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Somali Pirates are Muslim – what a shock

Posted in Arabs, Hate, Islam, Middle East, News, racism, Religion, Uncategorized, War, Warfare, World News with tags , , on April 16, 2009 by Michael Burks

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2009/04/yes_they_are_is.html

For years, I’ve decried–on this site and elsewhere–the use of the term “pirates” in connection with the Somalians who seize ships off the coast of Africa and demand ransom. They are violent, they are Muslim, and they are tied to Al-Qaeda.

And, yes, they are TERRORISTS. Islamic terrorists. You know, the “Religion of Peace.”

Now, they’ve seized a ship with mostly American crew members on board. And maybe now, we’ll actually call them what they are. (By the way, so much for Obama’s butt-kissing of Islam in Europe, this week. Look how the Muslims “repaid” us the compliment.)

Just because they let most people live and accept money for their thuggery instead of lives, doesn’t make them any less terrorist than the ones who murdered 3,000 Americans on 9/11. The ultimate end of their actions is a distinction without a difference from their not so random violence, kidnapping, and threats. It has no relevance to whether or not they are terrorists that they let their victims live.

Obama reaches out to Iran – disgrace

Posted in Arabs, Bible, Christianity, Hate, Islam, Israel, Israeli, Jewish History, Middle East, News, Uncategorized, World News with tags , , , , , on April 15, 2009 by Michael Burks

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/20/obama.iran.video/

The message is a dramatic shift in tone from that of the Bush administration, which included Iran, along with North Korea and Iraq, in an “axis of evil.” It also echoes Obama’s inaugural speech, in which he said to the Muslim world, “we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect.”

In Friday’s video, Obama said: “The United States wants the Islamic Republic of Iran to take its rightful place in the community of nations. You have that right, but it comes with real responsibilities. And that place cannot be reached through terror or arms, but rather through peaceful actions that demonstrate the true greatness of the Iranian people and civilization.”

There was no immediate response from Tehran to Obama’s message, but Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said last month that his country would welcome talks with the United States “in a fair atmosphere with mutual respect.”

The United States, several European nations and Israel suspect that Tehran has been trying to acquire the capacity to build nuclear weapons, but Iran says its nuclear program is solely for peaceful purposes.

Last month, the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security released a report saying that Iran has reached “nuclear weapons breakout capability” — it has enough uranium to make a nuclear bomb.

Gaza boat blows up – Muslims can even attack correctly

Posted in Arabs, Hate, Islam, Israel, Israeli, Jewish History, Middle East, News, racism, Uncategorized, War, Warfare, World News with tags , , on April 13, 2009 by Michael Burks

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLD629202

 

GAZA, April 13 (Reuters) – An unmanned Palestinian fishing boat laden with explosives blew up off the coast of the Gaza Strip on Monday in an apparent attempt to attack an Israeli navy patrol, Israel’s military chief said.

No one was hurt in the explosion, which Palestinians said could be heard miles away. Local fishermen in the Hamas-controlled territory said the Israeli ship fired at the boat as it approached, causing the enormous blast.

The Israeli military said it had not shot at the vessel, which exploded some 600 metres (yards) from the naval patrol.

“We believe this was an attempted attack,” said Lieutenant-General Gabi Ashkenazi, head of Israel’s armed forces.

He said the navy crew was unharmed because it followed regulations and did not approach the suspicious boat. There was no Palestinian claim of responsibility. (Writing by Ari Rabinovitch, Reporting by Nidal al-Mughrabi; Editing by Richard Williams)

Official: Hamas won’t form government recognizes Israel

Posted in Arabs, Christianity, Hate, Islam, Israel, Israeli, Jewish History, Middle East, News, racism, Religion, Uncategorized with tags , , , on April 7, 2009 by Michael Burks

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/07/content_11144500.htm

GAZA, April 7 (Xinhua) — A senior Islamic Hamas movement official reiterated on Tuesday that his movement wouldn’t accept forming a new unity government that recognizes the Jewish state.

    Ismail Radwan said in a statement sent to reporters “We won’t deal with any proposal or project, presented to the movement, that calls for abiding by the international Quartet requirements or recognizing Israel.”

    The commitments to the Quartet’s requirements is the core of substantial differences between the Islamic movement that rules the Gaza Strip and west-supported President Mahmoud Abbas.

    So far, a marathon and intensive dialogue held in Cairo between the two sides in March, which will be resumed on April 26, had failed to overcome major differences, mainly to agree on the platform of any new unity government.

    “Forming any Palestinian government that commits itself to the Quartet’s requirements and recognizing Israel as a legitimate state on the land of Palestine is not on Hamas Agenda,” said Radwan.

    Radwan expressed hope that the coming third round of dialogue expected on April 26 “would be more flexible and positive in order to overcome our differences and achieve our national unity.”

    Meanwhile, chief Palestinian negotiator to the dialogue with Hamas Ahmed Qurei said in a statement that the coming round of inter-reconciliation dialogue “will be final and decisive.”

    He accused Hamas movement for being hard in its position and not changing it in spite of several rounds of dialogue, adding that “Fatah is keen to make this dialogue success and is not intending to give up.”

    “We are still having the same differences on four major issues: reforming the PLO, the security forces, the political platform and the upcoming elections. So far we haven’t moved on inch in any of the four issues,” said Qurei.

Maybe reading the Bible would help instead of quoting cult teaching preachers!

Posted in Arabs, Christianity, Hate, Israel, Israeli, Jewish History, racism, Religion, Uncategorized with tags , , , on March 26, 2009 by Michael Burks

I am about to rip this Christian Identity reject to shreds. I took this from a Aryan Nations forum. All of my two cents will be in bold.

1.) He who denies Jesus Christ is a liar.
2.) The Anti-Christ is anyone (I John 2:18 tells us that there are many Anti-Christs, not just one) who denies BOTH the Father and the Son.
3.) Those who do not confess Jesus is God come in the flesh possess the spirit of Anti-Christ.
4.) Anti-Christ was already in the world as John wrote this letter.

Children of Christ, is it not obvious who these people are? Is it not obvious what religion it is that has denied BOTH the Father and the Son?

The Identity reject is of course, pointing out Jews. He is right by saying those who reject Christ are anti-Christ. However, the verse does not mean “Jews” only. Over 1 billion Muslims reject Christ. Over 1 billion Chinese atheists reject Christ and so forth. I think you get my point. The verses above in no way confirm Jews are actual “children of Satan”.

For over two thousand years the Jews have denied that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. They still deny it today. All of the anti-Gibson rhetoric about the movie, “The Passion of the Christ,” has come from only one group of people: the Jews and their accomplices. They hate Jesus Christ and they hate the New Testament, which is the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

But you say that you have been taught that Jesus was a Jew? Please show us where the Scriptures say He was a Jew! This is just another Pharisaic lie that the rabbis tell in order to deceive you. The Scriptures tell us that the Man of Sin will deceive all except the elect. In essence, this means the whole world except for those very few who were not fooled.

Jews have NOT always rejected Jesus. Jesus and His disciples were Jews as were the first 15 bishops of the early Christian Church, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Christians.

“I know the blasphemy of them that which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan.” — Rev. 2:9.

“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” — Rev. 3:9.

LOL, you just proved that Jews were God’s chosen people! God was simply warning about Jews who rejected Him much like those who rejected Christ during His lifetime. The same could be said about lying “Christians” like yourself. Yes, God knows the difference between Jews who serve Him and those who don’t. Thanks for pointing that out, lol.

“I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Judahites, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” The Jews, who are in reality, Ioudaikos, not Ioudaios (impostors, not real), have been pretending to be Israelites since the Jewish Dispersion of 70 A.D.

Here we see the beginning of the great deception that the religion of Judaism has performed for the last two thousand years of history. Judaism was not practiced by the Israelites. It was only practiced by the followers of the scribes and Pharisees. And the Pharisees were not ‘Ioudas’, Judah. They were, rather, ‘Ioudaikos’, only the resemblance of Judah. (John 8:44). In fact, the religion called Judaism has never been practiced by the House of Israel because the House of Israel was already scattered, from the Assyrian captivity starting in 745 B.C., into the “wilderness” of Europe and Asia Minor. The only exception to this rule has been when non-Jews convert to Judaism. Note well that the Jews declare descent through the mother. In contradistinction, the Old Testament and the New Testament declare descent only through the father. Read Matthew, Chapter 1 and Luke, Chapter 3 if you doubt this.

LOL, the old “Lost Sheep of Israel” myth. Sorry, the Bible never states Israel was lost. Here is what the Bible actually says –  Jeremiah 50:33 – Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The children of Israel and the children of Judah were oppressed together: and all that took them captives held them fast; they refused to let them go.” As you can tell, the Bible is clear Israel was living among the Southern Tribes. Those who didn’t formed the Jewish settlements around modern day Iran and Iraq.

Jesus was not a Jew by religion because He did not practice their religion, which, by the way, is NOT the religion of Moses. Judaism is the religion of the scribes and Pharisees. The Pharisees, seeing an opportunity to kill Jesus and claim His inheritance of the Kingdom for themselves, did all in their power to eliminate Him from the scene. In the parable of the traitorous husbandmen (Matt. 33-40), Jesus tells them that they are these same traitors who say of Jesus: “This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize on his inheritance.”

Wow, tons of things wrong with this above statement. Jesus was Jewish, lol below is proof –

 

Yeshua was Born a Jew

Yeshua is a real, historical person, born in the Land of Israel, during the Roman occupation, in approximately the year 3 BCE. However, at the time His name was actually pronounced, “Yeshua,” and that is the name used in this article.

That Yeshua was born Jewish is one of the least contested truths of the Bible. The very first verse of the New Covenant reads: The book of the genealogy of Messiah Yeshua (“Jesus Christ”), the son of David, the son of Abraham (Matt. 1:1). Who were Abraham and David?

Abraham was the first Hebrew. God changed his name from Abram (Gen. 17:5). In Gen. 14:13 he is called Abram the Hebrew. So we can see that Yeshua (Jesus) is descended from “Abram the Hebrew.” Even to this day, Jews are also called “Hebrews”, and the language of the Jews is “Hebrew.”

Abraham and his descendants were given the unconditional covenant of the Promised Land (Gen. 17:8) and the covenant of circumcision (Gen. 17:10). Abraham is the father of the Jews (Acts 3:12-25). Isaac was his son and Jacob was his grandson (Matt. 1:2). Thus, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are known as the Patriarchs, the fathers of the Jews.

Jacob’s name was changed by God to “Israel” (Gen. 35:10-12) and he had twelve sons (Gen. 35:23-26) from whom come the Twelve Tribes of Israel. All of their descendants are known collectively throughout the Bible as the Children of Israel (Ex. 1:6-7).

One of those twelve sons was Judah (Gen. 35:23, Matt. 1:2) and it is from his name that we get the word ‘Jew’. Although Yehudah (Judah) was only one of the twelve, by 700 BCE, because of the course of Israel’s history, the word Yehudee (Jew) came to mean any person descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Jer. 34:9). So, for instance, Saul haShaliach (the Apostle Paul) was of the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1) yet he self-identified as a Jew (Acts 22:3).

Nevertheless, according to the Bible, the Messiah must be descended from the tribe of Judah (Gen. 49:10) as King David was (1Sam. 17:12, 1Ch. 28:4) and descended from King David himself (2Sam. 7:12-13, Isa. 9:6-7, Jer. 23:5-6). That is why the Messiah is called Son of David (Matt. 21:9).

Yeshua is from the Tribe of Judah (Heb. 7:14). His earthly father was descended from David (Matt. 1:6-16) and His mother was as well (Luke 1:27, 32-34, 3:23-31).

In addition, Yeshua was born King of the Jews (Matt. 2:2). The King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish (Deut. 17:15). His aunt Elizabeth was Jewish (a descendant of Aaron, Moses’ brother) and His uncle Zacharia was a Jewish priest (Luke 1:5, 36). Yeshua was circumcised according to Jewish law (Luke 2:21, Lev. 12:2-3), and redeemed according to Jewish law (Luke 2:22-23, Num. 18:15). His mother atoned according to Jewish law (Luke 2:24, Lev. 12:6-8). He is called The Consolation of Israel (Luke 2:25) and The Glory of Thy People Israel (Luke 2:32). Jesus was born a Jew.

Yeshua lived as a Jew

Although He was born in Bethlehem (Matt. 2:1, Micah 5:2), Yeshua was raised in Nazareth (Luke 2:39-40). Both were Jewish towns at the time, according to archeologists and historians. Bethlehem is just south of Jerusalem while Nazareth is north, in the Galilee section. Both of Yeshua’s parents were from Nazareth (Luke 1:26-27, 2:4, 39) and they returned there with the Child when they had done everything according to the Law of the Lord that His birth required (Luke 2:39). His aunt and uncle were also Torah observant Jews (Luke 1:6) so we can see that probably the whole family took their faith very seriously.

Yeshua’s parents made the 140 mile (225 m.) round trip to Jerusalem every Passover (Luke 2:41) in observance of Deut. 16:16. It was at the age of twelve that Yeshua stayed behind an extra three days to learn from the Temple teachers (Luke 2:46). Although He already understood the Torah well (Luke 2:47), His attitude of listening and questioning indicates love of the Hebrew scripture and respect for the teachers. He also respected the Temple itself, calling it His Father’s (Luke 2:49). Near the end of His life, He praised a widow for giving all she had to the Temple (Luke 21:1-4).

In adult life, His disciples were Jews (John 1:47, Matt. 20:25-26) and they called Him ‘Rabbi’ (John 4:31). Mary called Him ‘Rabboni’ (John 20:16). They sought Him because they believed the Torah and the Prophets (John 1:45).

A Pharisee who had not yet come to faith in Him also addressed Yeshua as ‘Rabbi’ (John 3:2), as did a crowd of people (John 6:25). A Samaritan woman easily recognized He was a Jew (John 4:9).

Yeshua’s disciples spoke Hebrew (John 1:38, 41) and so did He, as well as Chaldean, a closely-related language brought back by the Jews from their captivity in Babylon (Matt. 27:46). In the sermon on the mount He affirmed the authority of the Torah and the Prophets (Matt. 5:17) even in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 5:19-20). He regularly attended synagogue (Luke 4:16) and His teaching was respected by the other congregants (Luke 4:15). He taught in the Jewish Temple (Luke 21:37) and if He were not a Jew, His going into that part of the Temple would not have been allowed (Acts 21:28-30).

Although He differed with some of His contemporaries on how to keep the commandments (Matt. 12:12), He did not disagree on whether to keep them, saying such things as, “if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments,” (Matt. 19:17). When He healed someone of leprosy, he instructed him to, “show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded…” (Matt. 8:4, Lev. 14).

Yeshua not only taught others how to live a Jewish life, He lived it Himself. The outward signs of this were such things as wearing tzitzit (tassles) on His clothing (Luke 8:43, Matt. 14:36, Strong’s # 2899) to serve as a reminder of the commandments (Num. 15:37-39). He observed Passover (John 2:13) and went up to Jerusalem (Deut. 16:16). He observed Succot (John 7:2, 10) and went up to Jerusalem (John 7:14). He also observed Hanukah (John 10:22) and probably Rosh haShanah (John 5:1), going up to Jerusalem on both those occasions as well, even though it isn’t commanded in the Torah.

The inward sign of His Judaism was a circumcised heart (Deut. 10:16, 30:6).

When faced with temptation, Yeshua answered from the Hebrew Scripture (Matt. 4:2-10, Deut. 8:3, 6:16, 6:13). When teaching, He taught from the Hebrew Scripture (Matt. 22:42-45). When admonishing, He quoted from the Hebrew Scripture (Mk. 7:6-13).

Yeshua self-identified as a Jew (John 4:22) and as King of the Jews (Mk. 15:2). From His birth to His last Passover seder (Luke 22:14-15), Jesus lived as a Jew.

Also –

 

Yeshua died a Jew

When Yeshua was taken prisoner by a Roman captain, his cohort, and some Jewish officials (John 18:12), He was delivered into the custody of the Jewish priests, elders, and scribes (Mk. 14:53). The Roman soldiers would not have placed Him under Jewish jurisdiction if He were not Jewish.

Later, Yeshua was brought before the Sanhedrin, the Jewish council (Luke 22:66). He was charged with an offense against Jewish Law (Matt. 26:65-66, Lev. 24:13-14, John 19:7). Pilate, head of the Roman occupation, also recognized Jewish jurisdiction over Yeshua (John 18:31). This was because Yeshua was a Jew (John 18:35).

He unequivocally identified Himself as the Messiah (Mk. 14:61-62) and as we have seen above, the Messiah must be Jewish. He said He is the King of the Jews (Matt. 27:11) and, as we have also seen above, the King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish. The Jewish crowd also called Him ‘King of the Jews’ (Mk. 15:12). He was mocked, spat on and beaten by the Roman soldiers as ‘King of the Jews’ (Mk. 15:16-20) and when they crucified Him, their charge was ‘King of the Jews’ (Matt. 27:37).

The place of judgment had a Hebrew place-name (John 19:13) and the place of crucifixion had a Hebrew place-name (Mk. 15:22).

Joseph of Arimethea, who took custody of Yeshua’s body, was Jewish (Luke 23:50-52) and he laid the body in his own new tomb (Matt. 27:59-60). Therefore, Yeshua was buried in a Jewish cemetery. He was also buried according to Jewish custom of the time (John 19:40). Without doubt, Jesus died a Jew.

If Jesus wasn’t Jewish, the Romans would have not handed Him over to the Jews. Romans take care of their own law breakers. Jesus being Jewish, could only be charged by a Jewish council and by Jewish law. Anyone with just a little Biblical education knows this!

Contrary to the prevailing view that the Jesus was a Jew, virtually every page of the New Testament contains vehement denunciations of their religion, which Jesus calls the “tradition of the elders.” (Matt. 15:2, 3, 6) He also denounces their religion as not of God, but of the “tradition of men.” (Mark 7:3, 5, 8, 9, 13 and Col. 2:8) The truth is that Jesus was the antithesis of Judaism, because they taught not the Law of the Old Testament but THEIR OWN TRADITION, which was not of God. These traditions, over time, were written down and are today known as the Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud has always been the main doctrine of the Jews, never the Torah of the Old Testament.

LOL, yes Jesus did speak out against Jews who followed the man-made teaching of the Talmud, a religion they stole from the pagan Babylonians lol. But that doesn’t prove Jesus to be non-Jewish lol.

I could keep going but as you can tell, another Christian Identity nut-job loses a debate!

Jay Faber – lacks education lol

Posted in Arabs, Christianity, cults, Hate, Israel, Israeli, Jewish History, Middle East, racism, Religion, Uncategorized, War with tags , , , , , on March 26, 2009 by Michael Burks

(Faber is on the right, trying hard to look like the lead singer of a 1980’s metal hair band)

 

I was reading a “sermon” that “pastor-halfwit” Faber wrote dealing with Esau-Edom. And all I kept thinking was, “this guy is stupid.” The reason I say this is because nothing he stated in the “sermon” can be backed with facts

His “sermon” can be found here, http://www.aryannationsrevival.org/Esau-Edom.htm. If you have time, or are bored, please take the time to read his nonsense. Its enough to bore one to death. I know I read about three paragraphs and stopped. Mainly because I found tons of facts that history shows the opposite of.

To make a long story short, he like most Identity “preachers” claim that modern Jews are the children of Esau through his marriage with Canaanite wives. Of course he fails to mention or recall that Edom was destroyed years ago. Faber and others claims the prophecy of Obadiah are not yet fulfilled. This however is wrong. The Edom nation was destroyed.

Here is the truth, as the Bible explains http://thomaswilliamson.net/edom.htm

Edom, a nation consisting of the descendants of Esau, twin brother of Jacob and son of Isaac and Rebekah, was located to the southeast of Judah, in a rugged, mountainous region which is now the southwestern part of the kingdom of Jordan.

      Edom is sometimes referred to as Esau (Malachi 1:3), Idumea (Isaiah 34:5) and Mount Seir (Ezekiel 35:3).  All of these names are interchangeable, referring to the same nation, Edom.

      Genesis 36 describes the rapid growth of Edom.  Deuteronomy 2:5 informs us that Edom’s territory was not part of the land promised to Israel andnever would be: “Meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a possession.”

      Ezekiel condemned the nation of Edom, saying, “Thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity . . .” Ezekiel 35:5.

      Throughout ancient history, the Edomites manifested their hatred against the Hebrews, as shown by their refusing Moses and his people permission to pass through Edomite territory in Numbers 20:14-22.  However, in the time of Elisha, the Edomitesjoined in a military alliance with Israel and Judah, 2 Kings 3:9.  Later, Judah defeated Edom in war, 2 Chronicles 25:5-12.

      The major prophecies against Edomare found in Isaiah 34, Jeremiah 49:7-22, Ezekiel 25:12-14 and 35:1-15, and the book of Obadiah.

      Isaiah prophesied of God’s judgment against Edom about 700 BC, while Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Obadiah all delivered their prophecies of impending doom upon Edom around the year 600 BC.

      It would make sense to look for the fulfillment of these prophecies against Edom in that general time period of history.  However, some have proposed that these prophecies against Edom are still unfulfilled, and that their fulfillment will take place in our generation, in the early 21st Century AD.

      There are 2 big problems with this theory: 1. The Edomites no longer exist.  It is impossible to punish a people who  have already disappeared from the face of the earth many centuries ago.  2. The prophet Malachi, writing about 400 BC, speaks of  God’s judgment of Edom as having already taken place: “And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.”  (Malachi 1:3)

      History records that the Edomites were ravaged by the Babylonian armies in the early 6th Century BC, and that near the end of the 6th Century BC, the Nabateans attacked the Edomites, driving them from their mountain fortresses of Mount Seir, into the Negev Desert to the west. 

      The ancient prophecies against Edom were completely fulfilled, and there is no need to look for those prophecies to be fulfilled yet again today, especially since the Edomites no longer exist as an identifiable nation or ethnic group.

      Some will say, “Are not the Arabs Edomites, and does not the ‘Curse of Esau’ rest upon modern Arabs?”  Though the identification of Edom with the Arabs is a common traditional belief, there is absolutely no Scriptural or historical basis for this notion.

      The Arabians are often mentioned in the Old Testament, as a nation totally distinct from the Edomites.  For instance, the Chronicler mentions Edom in 2 Chronicles 8:17 and Arabia in 2 Chronicles 9:14.  The Edomites were not Arabs – they were Edomites. 

      Obadiah prophesied that the house of Esau would be completely wiped out (v. 18).  If he was talking about the Arabs, then Obadiah’s prophecy was false, since the Arabs are very much with us today.  If Obadiah was talking about Edom, like he said that he was (v.8), then his prophecy has been fulfilled, since Edom has longed since disappeared as a nation.

      An examination of the standard reference works yields no hint nor evidence of any connection between Edomites and Arabs.

      If the Edomitesare not Arabs, then what did happen to them?  We find the answer to that in the “Antiquities of the Jews” by the reliable ancient Jewish historian Josephus, writing of Jewish conquests in the 2nd Century BC:

      “Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.” Chapter IX, (2).

      William Whiston, translator of Josephus, adds this note: “This account of the Idumeans admitting circumcision, and the entire Jewish law, from this time, or from the days of Hyrcanus, is confirmed by their entire history afterwards.  This, in the opinion of Josephus, made them proselytes of justice, or entire Jews.”  Since that time, the Edomites have been part of the Jewish nation.  Some believe that the Edomites are still identifiable today as Sephardic Jews, but this is speculation.

      The Wycliffe Bible Commentary on Obadiah confirms that judgment came upon Edomin ancient times, starting with the Nabatean invasion soon after the time of Obadiah:

      “Soon after this time, Edom was pushed out of her ancient home by the Nabateans, so that she had to move to the west side of the Dead Sea.  Hebron was made the capital of her new home in south Judah.  The Maccabees, especially John Hyrcanus (c. 125 BC), subdued and Judaized the Edomites.  They were finally destroyed with the Jews in 70 AD by the Roman general Titus.”

      (According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, this conquest of the Edomites by John Hyrcanus took place in 109 BC).

      Adam Clarke’s commentary, Matthew Henry, and Jamieson, Fausset and Brown all see the prophecies against Edom as being fulfilled partly by an invasion by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar in the early 6th Century BC, and partly by the Maccabees.  Jeremiah 25:21 specifically predicts the humbling of Edom by Babylon, the same power that conquered Jerusalem 5 years before the destruction of Edom.

      Some commentators believe that some of the early prophecies of judgment against Edom were fulfilled by the invasion of the Assyrian king Sennacherib, about 700 BC.  There is no hint anywhere that any of these prophecies against Edom remain to be fulfilled in modern times, or that they can be applied to the current crises in the Middle East. 

      Some have thought that there will never be peace between the Jews and Arabs in Palestine, based on the statement of Ezekiel 35:5: “Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity. . . .”

          However, we have seen that this passage concerning Edomhas nothing whatsoever to do with the Arabs, ancient or modern.  Scripture and secular history reveal no information about an inevitable hatred between Arabs and Jews over the centuries. 

      Over the centuries, Jews and Arabs have lived in harmony in the Middle East.  On various occasions, Jews have fled to Arab and Muslim lands to escape persecution by the supposedly more enlightened European “Christians.”   

      The current strife between Jews and Arabs in Palestine did not begin until the early 20th Century, with the rise of the modern Zionist movement.

      In my home city of Chicago, large communities of Jews and Arabs live side by side in a state of harmony.  In November, 2000, many Jews in Chicago joined with Palestinian Arabs in peaceful demonstrations to protest Israeli government policies in occupied territories of Palestine.

      We have no way of knowing whether there will soon be peace between the Jews and Arabs in Palestine, but there is nothing in the Word of God to indicate that such a peace cannot take place.

      The prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Obadiah against Edom should not be wrenched out of their proper historical context, andmade to apply to modern peoples who have no connection with Edom.

      The purpose of these prophecies was to assure the Hebrews, at the time that they were taken captive to Babylon in 586 BC, that Jehovah would not allow the covetous Edomites to occupy their land.  God promised that the land of Judah would remain vacant, and that the nation of Israel would be restored on that land after 70 years (Jeremiah 25:11, 29:10, Daniel 9:2).

      The application of those prophecies for today is that we should not be prideful as the Edomiteswere, believing that they were safe from God’s wrath and could never be overthrown in their mountain fortresses.  Also, we should not be covetous as Edom was, nor rejoice when judgment and suffering comes upon others.

          The fate of Edom, and its complete disappearance from the family of nations, constitute a powerful reminder of God’s justice, His judgment, and the sure fulfillment of all that He has promised in His inspired Word.

 As you can tell, the destruction of Edom has already  been fulfilled as God said it would. Faber and others never quote the above verses nor talk about actual history concerning the Bible.

Yes, some people who were Edomites converted to Judaism and became Jews. However, that does not in any way back Faber and his claims. Faber lacks a Biblical education which was easily proved. His teachings are ones he clearly made up due to his hatred of Jews and lack of common sense.