Maybe reading the Bible would help instead of quoting cult teaching preachers!

I am about to rip this Christian Identity reject to shreds. I took this from a Aryan Nations forum. All of my two cents will be in bold.

1.) He who denies Jesus Christ is a liar.
2.) The Anti-Christ is anyone (I John 2:18 tells us that there are many Anti-Christs, not just one) who denies BOTH the Father and the Son.
3.) Those who do not confess Jesus is God come in the flesh possess the spirit of Anti-Christ.
4.) Anti-Christ was already in the world as John wrote this letter.

Children of Christ, is it not obvious who these people are? Is it not obvious what religion it is that has denied BOTH the Father and the Son?

The Identity reject is of course, pointing out Jews. He is right by saying those who reject Christ are anti-Christ. However, the verse does not mean “Jews” only. Over 1 billion Muslims reject Christ. Over 1 billion Chinese atheists reject Christ and so forth. I think you get my point. The verses above in no way confirm Jews are actual “children of Satan”.

For over two thousand years the Jews have denied that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. They still deny it today. All of the anti-Gibson rhetoric about the movie, “The Passion of the Christ,” has come from only one group of people: the Jews and their accomplices. They hate Jesus Christ and they hate the New Testament, which is the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

But you say that you have been taught that Jesus was a Jew? Please show us where the Scriptures say He was a Jew! This is just another Pharisaic lie that the rabbis tell in order to deceive you. The Scriptures tell us that the Man of Sin will deceive all except the elect. In essence, this means the whole world except for those very few who were not fooled.

Jews have NOT always rejected Jesus. Jesus and His disciples were Jews as were the first 15 bishops of the early Christian Church, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Christians.

“I know the blasphemy of them that which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan.” — Rev. 2:9.

“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” — Rev. 3:9.

LOL, you just proved that Jews were God’s chosen people! God was simply warning about Jews who rejected Him much like those who rejected Christ during His lifetime. The same could be said about lying “Christians” like yourself. Yes, God knows the difference between Jews who serve Him and those who don’t. Thanks for pointing that out, lol.

“I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Judahites, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” The Jews, who are in reality, Ioudaikos, not Ioudaios (impostors, not real), have been pretending to be Israelites since the Jewish Dispersion of 70 A.D.

Here we see the beginning of the great deception that the religion of Judaism has performed for the last two thousand years of history. Judaism was not practiced by the Israelites. It was only practiced by the followers of the scribes and Pharisees. And the Pharisees were not ‘Ioudas’, Judah. They were, rather, ‘Ioudaikos’, only the resemblance of Judah. (John 8:44). In fact, the religion called Judaism has never been practiced by the House of Israel because the House of Israel was already scattered, from the Assyrian captivity starting in 745 B.C., into the “wilderness” of Europe and Asia Minor. The only exception to this rule has been when non-Jews convert to Judaism. Note well that the Jews declare descent through the mother. In contradistinction, the Old Testament and the New Testament declare descent only through the father. Read Matthew, Chapter 1 and Luke, Chapter 3 if you doubt this.

LOL, the old “Lost Sheep of Israel” myth. Sorry, the Bible never states Israel was lost. Here is what the Bible actually says –  Jeremiah 50:33 – Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The children of Israel and the children of Judah were oppressed together: and all that took them captives held them fast; they refused to let them go.” As you can tell, the Bible is clear Israel was living among the Southern Tribes. Those who didn’t formed the Jewish settlements around modern day Iran and Iraq.

Jesus was not a Jew by religion because He did not practice their religion, which, by the way, is NOT the religion of Moses. Judaism is the religion of the scribes and Pharisees. The Pharisees, seeing an opportunity to kill Jesus and claim His inheritance of the Kingdom for themselves, did all in their power to eliminate Him from the scene. In the parable of the traitorous husbandmen (Matt. 33-40), Jesus tells them that they are these same traitors who say of Jesus: “This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize on his inheritance.”

Wow, tons of things wrong with this above statement. Jesus was Jewish, lol below is proof –

 

Yeshua was Born a Jew

Yeshua is a real, historical person, born in the Land of Israel, during the Roman occupation, in approximately the year 3 BCE. However, at the time His name was actually pronounced, “Yeshua,” and that is the name used in this article.

That Yeshua was born Jewish is one of the least contested truths of the Bible. The very first verse of the New Covenant reads: The book of the genealogy of Messiah Yeshua (“Jesus Christ”), the son of David, the son of Abraham (Matt. 1:1). Who were Abraham and David?

Abraham was the first Hebrew. God changed his name from Abram (Gen. 17:5). In Gen. 14:13 he is called Abram the Hebrew. So we can see that Yeshua (Jesus) is descended from “Abram the Hebrew.” Even to this day, Jews are also called “Hebrews”, and the language of the Jews is “Hebrew.”

Abraham and his descendants were given the unconditional covenant of the Promised Land (Gen. 17:8) and the covenant of circumcision (Gen. 17:10). Abraham is the father of the Jews (Acts 3:12-25). Isaac was his son and Jacob was his grandson (Matt. 1:2). Thus, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are known as the Patriarchs, the fathers of the Jews.

Jacob’s name was changed by God to “Israel” (Gen. 35:10-12) and he had twelve sons (Gen. 35:23-26) from whom come the Twelve Tribes of Israel. All of their descendants are known collectively throughout the Bible as the Children of Israel (Ex. 1:6-7).

One of those twelve sons was Judah (Gen. 35:23, Matt. 1:2) and it is from his name that we get the word ‘Jew’. Although Yehudah (Judah) was only one of the twelve, by 700 BCE, because of the course of Israel’s history, the word Yehudee (Jew) came to mean any person descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Jer. 34:9). So, for instance, Saul haShaliach (the Apostle Paul) was of the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1) yet he self-identified as a Jew (Acts 22:3).

Nevertheless, according to the Bible, the Messiah must be descended from the tribe of Judah (Gen. 49:10) as King David was (1Sam. 17:12, 1Ch. 28:4) and descended from King David himself (2Sam. 7:12-13, Isa. 9:6-7, Jer. 23:5-6). That is why the Messiah is called Son of David (Matt. 21:9).

Yeshua is from the Tribe of Judah (Heb. 7:14). His earthly father was descended from David (Matt. 1:6-16) and His mother was as well (Luke 1:27, 32-34, 3:23-31).

In addition, Yeshua was born King of the Jews (Matt. 2:2). The King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish (Deut. 17:15). His aunt Elizabeth was Jewish (a descendant of Aaron, Moses’ brother) and His uncle Zacharia was a Jewish priest (Luke 1:5, 36). Yeshua was circumcised according to Jewish law (Luke 2:21, Lev. 12:2-3), and redeemed according to Jewish law (Luke 2:22-23, Num. 18:15). His mother atoned according to Jewish law (Luke 2:24, Lev. 12:6-8). He is called The Consolation of Israel (Luke 2:25) and The Glory of Thy People Israel (Luke 2:32). Jesus was born a Jew.

Yeshua lived as a Jew

Although He was born in Bethlehem (Matt. 2:1, Micah 5:2), Yeshua was raised in Nazareth (Luke 2:39-40). Both were Jewish towns at the time, according to archeologists and historians. Bethlehem is just south of Jerusalem while Nazareth is north, in the Galilee section. Both of Yeshua’s parents were from Nazareth (Luke 1:26-27, 2:4, 39) and they returned there with the Child when they had done everything according to the Law of the Lord that His birth required (Luke 2:39). His aunt and uncle were also Torah observant Jews (Luke 1:6) so we can see that probably the whole family took their faith very seriously.

Yeshua’s parents made the 140 mile (225 m.) round trip to Jerusalem every Passover (Luke 2:41) in observance of Deut. 16:16. It was at the age of twelve that Yeshua stayed behind an extra three days to learn from the Temple teachers (Luke 2:46). Although He already understood the Torah well (Luke 2:47), His attitude of listening and questioning indicates love of the Hebrew scripture and respect for the teachers. He also respected the Temple itself, calling it His Father’s (Luke 2:49). Near the end of His life, He praised a widow for giving all she had to the Temple (Luke 21:1-4).

In adult life, His disciples were Jews (John 1:47, Matt. 20:25-26) and they called Him ‘Rabbi’ (John 4:31). Mary called Him ‘Rabboni’ (John 20:16). They sought Him because they believed the Torah and the Prophets (John 1:45).

A Pharisee who had not yet come to faith in Him also addressed Yeshua as ‘Rabbi’ (John 3:2), as did a crowd of people (John 6:25). A Samaritan woman easily recognized He was a Jew (John 4:9).

Yeshua’s disciples spoke Hebrew (John 1:38, 41) and so did He, as well as Chaldean, a closely-related language brought back by the Jews from their captivity in Babylon (Matt. 27:46). In the sermon on the mount He affirmed the authority of the Torah and the Prophets (Matt. 5:17) even in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 5:19-20). He regularly attended synagogue (Luke 4:16) and His teaching was respected by the other congregants (Luke 4:15). He taught in the Jewish Temple (Luke 21:37) and if He were not a Jew, His going into that part of the Temple would not have been allowed (Acts 21:28-30).

Although He differed with some of His contemporaries on how to keep the commandments (Matt. 12:12), He did not disagree on whether to keep them, saying such things as, “if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments,” (Matt. 19:17). When He healed someone of leprosy, he instructed him to, “show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded…” (Matt. 8:4, Lev. 14).

Yeshua not only taught others how to live a Jewish life, He lived it Himself. The outward signs of this were such things as wearing tzitzit (tassles) on His clothing (Luke 8:43, Matt. 14:36, Strong’s # 2899) to serve as a reminder of the commandments (Num. 15:37-39). He observed Passover (John 2:13) and went up to Jerusalem (Deut. 16:16). He observed Succot (John 7:2, 10) and went up to Jerusalem (John 7:14). He also observed Hanukah (John 10:22) and probably Rosh haShanah (John 5:1), going up to Jerusalem on both those occasions as well, even though it isn’t commanded in the Torah.

The inward sign of His Judaism was a circumcised heart (Deut. 10:16, 30:6).

When faced with temptation, Yeshua answered from the Hebrew Scripture (Matt. 4:2-10, Deut. 8:3, 6:16, 6:13). When teaching, He taught from the Hebrew Scripture (Matt. 22:42-45). When admonishing, He quoted from the Hebrew Scripture (Mk. 7:6-13).

Yeshua self-identified as a Jew (John 4:22) and as King of the Jews (Mk. 15:2). From His birth to His last Passover seder (Luke 22:14-15), Jesus lived as a Jew.

Also –

 

Yeshua died a Jew

When Yeshua was taken prisoner by a Roman captain, his cohort, and some Jewish officials (John 18:12), He was delivered into the custody of the Jewish priests, elders, and scribes (Mk. 14:53). The Roman soldiers would not have placed Him under Jewish jurisdiction if He were not Jewish.

Later, Yeshua was brought before the Sanhedrin, the Jewish council (Luke 22:66). He was charged with an offense against Jewish Law (Matt. 26:65-66, Lev. 24:13-14, John 19:7). Pilate, head of the Roman occupation, also recognized Jewish jurisdiction over Yeshua (John 18:31). This was because Yeshua was a Jew (John 18:35).

He unequivocally identified Himself as the Messiah (Mk. 14:61-62) and as we have seen above, the Messiah must be Jewish. He said He is the King of the Jews (Matt. 27:11) and, as we have also seen above, the King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish. The Jewish crowd also called Him ‘King of the Jews’ (Mk. 15:12). He was mocked, spat on and beaten by the Roman soldiers as ‘King of the Jews’ (Mk. 15:16-20) and when they crucified Him, their charge was ‘King of the Jews’ (Matt. 27:37).

The place of judgment had a Hebrew place-name (John 19:13) and the place of crucifixion had a Hebrew place-name (Mk. 15:22).

Joseph of Arimethea, who took custody of Yeshua’s body, was Jewish (Luke 23:50-52) and he laid the body in his own new tomb (Matt. 27:59-60). Therefore, Yeshua was buried in a Jewish cemetery. He was also buried according to Jewish custom of the time (John 19:40). Without doubt, Jesus died a Jew.

If Jesus wasn’t Jewish, the Romans would have not handed Him over to the Jews. Romans take care of their own law breakers. Jesus being Jewish, could only be charged by a Jewish council and by Jewish law. Anyone with just a little Biblical education knows this!

Contrary to the prevailing view that the Jesus was a Jew, virtually every page of the New Testament contains vehement denunciations of their religion, which Jesus calls the “tradition of the elders.” (Matt. 15:2, 3, 6) He also denounces their religion as not of God, but of the “tradition of men.” (Mark 7:3, 5, 8, 9, 13 and Col. 2:8) The truth is that Jesus was the antithesis of Judaism, because they taught not the Law of the Old Testament but THEIR OWN TRADITION, which was not of God. These traditions, over time, were written down and are today known as the Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud has always been the main doctrine of the Jews, never the Torah of the Old Testament.

LOL, yes Jesus did speak out against Jews who followed the man-made teaching of the Talmud, a religion they stole from the pagan Babylonians lol. But that doesn’t prove Jesus to be non-Jewish lol.

I could keep going but as you can tell, another Christian Identity nut-job loses a debate!

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2 Responses to “Maybe reading the Bible would help instead of quoting cult teaching preachers!”

  1. Simply, The Messiah, Paul, John, James, Matthew, Mark, Like, Jude, Titus, Timothy(Paul circumcised him because his mother was a Jew), all were Jews and kept most of the torah during the time when the earthly, natural, kingdom centered in Jerusalem had not yet “decayed, waxed old” and “vanished away”…….

    Yes, The Messiah had resurrected and The Kingdom of GOD’s Dear Son WAS, yet the earthly kingdom yet was, and while the temple remained the Jew who received of The Life yet abode in that which was “decaying, waxing old and would soon vanish away”. Such happened in 70AD indeed and Truth……

    The 15th chapter of Acts makes it quite clear what portion of Torah the Gentile believers, who received of The Life, were subject unto…….

    Acts 15:13-20 “And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, listen to me.

    Simeon has declared how GOD at the first visited the Gentiles, and took out from them a people for HIS Name. And the words of the prophets agree with this; as it is written, “after this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up so that the residue of men might seek after ME, and all the Gentiles, upon whom MY name is called, says GOD, WHO does all these things.

    Known unto GOD are all HIS works from the beginning of the world.

    Therefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles have turned to GOD, but that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood(rightly understood as the shedding of blood).”

    Acts 15:23-29 “And they wrote letters by them after this manner.

    The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.

    In that we have heard, that certain who went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, “you must be circumcised, and keep the Torah”, to whom we gave no such commandment, it seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Master, Yeshua The Messiah.

    We have also sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also bear witness to the same things by mouth.

    For it seemed good to the Holy, Set Apart, Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things, that you abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood(shed), and from things strangled, and from fornication. If you keep yourselves from such, you shall do well. Fare thee well.”

    Thankfully, with the destruction of the earthly, natural kingdom centered in jerusalem of old, that which was “decaying and waxing old” DID “vanish away” indeed and Truth…….

    And so it was that The Messiah won The Victory over sin and death, and delivered up The New Heavenly Kingdom unto Our GOD and Father, HE WHO is The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL…….

    Out with the old and earthly, in with the NEW and Heavenly…….

    “THY Kingdom” DID “Come” indeed and Truth…….

    “A New Covenant”, “A Holy nation” of “kings and priests”, all of whom are thankful that, that which was “decaying and waxing old” DID “vanish away” with the destruction of the natural, earthly kingdom centered in jerusalem.

    “THY Kingdom” HAS “Come”, and IS, indeed and Truth…….

    No longer old, natural, earthly and temporal, The NEW is Spiritual, Heavenly and Eternal…….

    All Thanks, Praise and Glory Be Unto The Only True GOD, Father(Creator)of ALL…….

    So it is that the Brethren of The Messiah are exhorted to “set their affections on things above” and not be of those “whose god is their bellies because they mind earthly things”…….

    Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(darkness) that is of this world and it’s systems of religion, for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one” indeed and Truth…….

    Truth is never ending…….

  2. Michael Burks Says:

    Luke was a Gentile doctor.

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